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  INTERVIEW WITH MARK JANSEN AND ISAAC DELAHAYE OF EPICA ABOUT NEW ALBUM 'THE QUANTUM ENIGMA'

Ian Sutherland

ian sutherland



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Dutch symphonic Metallers Epica are an international success story and have just released their sixth full length studio album 'The Quantum Enigma'. MetalTalk caught up with guitarists Mark Jansen and Isaac Delahaye backstage at the O13 in Tilburg, hours before their sold out album launch show.

MT: Thanks for taking the time to talk to us. Can we start by looking back a little at Retrospect, your tenth anniversary show released as a DVD. This has been a great success for you, do you feel that it was the end of an era and time to start a new chapter for Epica?

ID: As the title says it was a retrospective and was looking back at what we had done and achieved and now it's time to look forward and do something different.

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MT: I was just wondering if this was a conscious thing, a feeling of it was time for some changes?

MJ: It's like a summary of all the chapters we did before, an end of an era and now it is time to write some new chapters. With this album we did some different things, a new producer, a new mixer. We also wrote the songs in a different way, more as a group effort. This feels like a fresh, new beginning. It's not totally different as the new album is clearly still Epica but the fresh wind is needed to fully motivate everyone for the future. This was really good for us.

ID: For me it was just exciting to record the album and that was because things were just different. On one hand you think I hope that everything will go right but also we could just end up making a horrible album! You go for a different producer and it could just be total bullshit so you don't know! It was exciting and also the new people around us were so excited and ready to go for it and I think everything added up and made the whole thing refreshing for us as a band. You can go from touring to the studio to touring to the studio and we switched it around and it was just the best thing we could do right now.

MT: It sounds like you were really happy with new producer Joost van den Broek. Do you like the different sonic feel there is to this album compared to 'Requiem For The Indifferent'?

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MJ: The new producer, the main influence he had on the group was that he was there from the beginning, to get motivated himself and to get the best out of everybody. He was the kind of guy who kept the overview but was also there in the early stages when it was little groups of people writing the songs. He was there when we were working on the sounds. He was there when we were working on the details, he was there when we were recording and he was even there for a few days of the mix. He was everywhere! He can't have slept for many hours as he was everywhere at the same time(laughs).

He was sometimes working on other projects simultaneously and I still don't understand or get how he managed to do all these things at the same time. He must have a huge amount of energy but that was what we needed, a guy who got the last 10% out of us. We could have made another album the same way as the last one and would probably have had the feeling afterwards that it was lacking something and could have been better. That's what we wanted this time, that we would be totally happy with the end result and wouldn't listen to it and think it could have been better. Joost was the right guy for that job and made that happen for us.

MT: You've touched a little bit on the songwriting already. I was wondering how the songwriting process works for Epica? Every album is seventy minutes long, every song has lots of ideas within it so how the heck do you put it all together?

ID: That's a good question(laughs). The thing is that it's always different for who is recording. This album has songs from five band members, everyone but Simone has put song ideas on the table. From there we just like Mark already said sat with Joost the producer. I had written a couple of songs and he flew over to Germany where I used to live and we would work on my songs and he and Arien would work on his songs and so on. Mark writes differently than I do, I'm more a typical guitar writer starting mostly with the guitars whereas Mark goes more from a melody or more from the orchestration so that's really different. Obviously Coen with his piano is also doing something different, Arien as a drummer writes in grooves and more rhythmical ideas, Rob with has bass likes to write from a drum and bass groove.

MT: Is it that people come in with song ideas and you all work on those song ideas together?

ID: It's more like that you write the song and then we work on it. Things could switch around, it might be that my intro is cut off or something but the basic idea is that with these kind of songs we went to a rehearsal room or the studio and rehearsed through everything. That's also different from the past where we did the pre-production in our home studio and send it over to each other, kind of tweaking it as we went but it's different if the other band members are right there and you can say hey you should be playing this note or that note. You can go way more into detail and tell your drummer that I want the kick drum on that part of the beat or that should be the groove and that's what adds up to the whole thing. That was really refreshing to sit together with musicians and not sit in your home studio with your technology. It was a whole different way of writing.

MT: That sounds like it would be a lot quicker as well.

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MJ: It took longer actually! You can change things quicker and adapt more easily but there are more steps in the process. Usually when we wrote the songs we send each other stuff via the internet and put things here and there and we start recording. Also after the recording you find out which songs work well live and which songs don't and now all the songs have been played together as a band and we know which things work live and which don't. Actually we already know that all the new songs work well live so it will also be nice to select now which ones we will keep on playing live. It will be more or less the fans choice as many people say we want to hear this song or that song while we like them all! We could play the whole album so it's what they want.

MT: As we are at the album release show will you be playing the whole album tonight?

MJ: Yes, now it's our party!(laughs)

ID: Yes, just once in our life we get to choose what to play (laughs)

MJ: It's not all new songs as it's fun to play some old songs that people know so it will be a mix between old and new.

MT: The new album 'The Quantum Enigma' has a theme running through it. I, like I suspect many other people, had to go and look up what a quantum enigma was(all laugh). Is quantum physics a subject you guys think about a lot?

MJ: First of all if you have a title sometimes people don't remember it and don't know what it's about but for some reason the title 'The Quantum Enigma' has something about it, something mystical. It's easy to remember the first time you hear it so it has the advantage that it makes people interested in the topic. Like you did, you go and look it up and if it raises your interest then that's exactly the thing we want to achieve and once you get sucked into the topic I think it's very interesting to know more about it. That's something we wanted to achieve as it's so fascinating, all about quantum physics and what's going on in the universe and the microscopic world which has an influence on the world as you know it. If something is proven in quantum physics it will have a direct influence on the things around it. What does that mean? What does that imply for the world? The way we see the world, is that just because of how we view it? If nobody sees it would that mean it was different? Is it an illusion, is it real? You can really philosophise for a long time about it but I like it. I hope many fans will start doing that.

MT: You have touched on quantum physics before in your lyrics, in 'Kingdom Of Heaven' on the 'Design Your Universe' album. Has it been sitting in your mind for a while to come back to this subject?

MJ: That didn't happen consciously, it was like with the music. You sit down and get a sort of feeling with a song and you start writing and it has all to do with the things that already interest you. Over the last couple of years I've been reading books on the subject and they found their way into the lyrics. So it wasn't consciously that we decided we were going to write about this now, it just happened. It's hard to say how it happens. It naturally evolves.The song 'The Quantum Enigma' wasn't intended to be a sequel to 'Kingdom Of Heaven' but the way lyrics evolved meant that it naturally became one. There were even some music references which fitted. It happened naturally, it wasn't meant to be like that in the beginning.

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MT: Writing about quantum physics in your second language, you guys really like a challenge, don't you? (all laugh)

MJ: I have also done some email interviews and I have to choose my words carefully as if you write one word wrong it means the opposite of what you are trying to say sometimes! You really have to think carefully about what you write on such topics.

MT: The fan reaction to the album has been overwhelmingly positive, you must be really pleased.

ID: We are. There's a lot to process on the album, we've been working on it for months and when I heard the final mix I was like damn, there's constantly so much happening and so many layers to it, I was really happy with it and it's gratifying to see it has gone over so well.

MT: I feel myself that you guys are getting gradually a little heavier in style. You have always been a heavy band among all the other styles which you incorporate into your sound but are you going more in that direction?

MJ: The new songs advantages are that the things that are supposed to sound really heavy do sound really heavy. If we would have done this sound in the past then we would have have sounded this heavy on previous albums. Every sound has its' advantages and now when it's supposed to be brutal with almost Fear Factory style riffs it sounds really brutal and that's the effect we like with this new sound. Now when we want to sound really heavy, we sound really heavy. In the past that was not always the case.

MT: I wondered if Arien and his drumming style was having an influence. You get the impression he's sitting there saying faster, louder all the time!

MJ: Yes, it's exactly like that(laughs). If we would let Arien write all the songs we would be a lot heavier and faster!

ID: I was there in the studio when he was recording his drums and sometimes the producer and I would have to say please leave some room there for the vocals or whatever. The drums are the first thing to be recorded so he needs to leave the rest of us some room(laughs).

MT: He has an insanely busy style but is fantastic to listen to and watch.

ID: He is sitting there with a smile doing his stuff and I have to say sometimes can you do a little less?(laughs) Of course he's like no problem and does what we need him to but in other stuff we challenged him as he is just so incredibly good. We said can you take this idea further and go beyond insane and he would just figure it out in two minutes and play it! That feeds into what we talked about regarding Joost the producer, we were all kind of challenging each other. I could also walk into the bass recording and ask for this or that, it was a great experience.

MJ: If Arien was a construction worker he would make extra walls, more rooms, he would make the house completely full, he's just that kind of guy (laughs).

MT: You have one UK date on the tour dates announced so far with this album at the London Forum on December 6th. Will there be any more UK dates?

ID: So far we have no other options arranged, we might be doing a festival there but nothing is confirmed yet. We have divided the tour into two parts because Simone now has a kid and Coen has two kids so we don't want any legs of the tour to be too elaborate. We therefore have to choose where to go carefully and in the past we've done a separate UK run, doing a UK tour separate to any other plans.

MT: So you have no plans to play the UK outside the London date in December then? After the 2012 tour when you even played Scotland for the first time I was hopeful we would see more of you!

MJ: We would like to play everywhere but you have to make decisions because of the kids, we have to pick what shows to play. If we wanted to we could play a show every day of the year but it's not possible for us unfortunately. We get letters from everywhere saying why don't you come play here, don't just play Mexico City, there are other cities in Mexico and so on(laughs). We can't please everybody. Also I've personally been doing this for seventeen years now and sometimes you want to be at home and do things that normal people do (laughs).

ID: Like getting drunk on the couch (laughs).

MJ: The UK is a market on its' own and we would love to work it harder but we're pretty busy until summer 2015 already so that's something we'll have to look at down the road along with Scandinavia and Russia and other areas which are off route, harder to get to places. Until then I hope the one date makes everyone a little happy (laughs).

MT: How do you see the future of Epica going forward?

MJ: I never look too far ahead as things always go differently than you expect but personally I would like to see us keep this line up for a while to keep it consistent and see what we can do with this sound we have.

ID: The main thing I learned from this album is that while music is a business it has to be fun other wise you can't go on with it. I think this was really refreshing and that we have taken everything to the next level. We already wrote the songs, we already worked on them but if you motivate each other, have nice people around you and are a good team then that's what I hope for this. It's my job and I want that it's still exciting to me and that five years from now I can say yes, got a new album to record! The new songs are great, that's something I really enjoyed this time working with a new producer but so long as the spark is there I want to keep doing it.

MT: Well we at MetalTalk definitely want much more Epica in the future. Thanks for your time and good luck with the show tonight and the tour ahead.

Online:
http://www.epica.nl/
https://www.facebook.com/epica
https://www.youtube.com/user/epica

Line up:
Mark Jansen-guitar, grunts, screams
Coen Janssen-synthesizer, piano
Simone Simons-vocals
Arien van Weesenbeek-drums
Isaac Delahaye-guitars, vocals
Rob van der Loo-bass


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sos festival SOS FESTIVAL ANNOUNCES FIRST NINE BANDS FOR ITS' 10TH EDITION IN 2017
"It's great for us that another Manchester band has the kudos to headline, just as Absolva did us proud on our Friday in 2016..."

tyr TÝR EUROPEAN TOUR UNDER THREAT OVER WHALE CONTROVERSY
Animal rights sympathisers, supporters and activists are in overdrive over this one with some pretty nasty comments being directed towards Heri and the band...

fm FM ANNOUNCE 'INDISCREET 30' NEW ALBUM AND UK TOUR DATES
"We have been asked many times if we would consider re-recording some of these tracks using today's modern technology..."

red hot chili peppers WAS BREAKING NEWS: RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS ANNOUNCE FIRST UK TOUR FOR FIVE YEARS
This exciting run kicks off with two nights at London's O2 on 5th and 6th December and takes in dates in Glasgow, Birmingham and Manchester...

motorhead MOTÖRHEAD IMMORTALISED IN WEST HOLLYWOOD AS THE IRON MAIDENS HEAD STAR-STUDDED ULTIMATE JAM
"I think it looks a lot like him. It's a compelling image. I think it will offer some closure. I think Lemmy is finally home."

korn KORN UNVEIL NEW VIDEO FOR 'INSANE': DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME
'Insane' appears on Korn's latest and twelfth studio album 'The Serenity Of Suffering' which you can pre-order here...

status quo STATUS QUO REVEAL ARTWORK AND TRACKLISTING FOR 'AQUOSTIC II - THAT'S A FACT!'
This is the sound of a band living in the present, embracing the future, whilst cherishing their past...

bruce dickinson EXCLUSIVE: SCREAM FOR ME SARAJEVO FEATURING BRUCE DICKINSON SCOOPS SARAJEVO FILM FESTIVAL AWARDS
The audience surveyed rated the film 4.98 out of a total of 5.00 while Al Jazeera awarded it the Best Documentary out of twenty two entrants...

wakrat WATCH RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE'S TIM COMMERFORD START NEW NATION IN PARLIAMENT SQUARE ON VIDEO HERE
"The current system is oppressive and elitist, promoting racist ideologies in order to push a self-serving agenda..."

led zeppelin LED ZEPPELIN GIVE YOU AN INSIDE LOOK AT 'THE COMPLETE BBC SESSIONS' SUPER DELUXE
Musical highlights on this new collection include the debut of a long-lost radio session that has achieved near-mythic status among fans...

saxon SAXON PRESENT A HOARD OF LIVE GLORY IN A BOX OF VINYL GOLD
"This is not going to be around again and with exclusive art work too. Bring it on - I think we'll play some of these tracks on tour in the Autumn."

journey toto JOURNEY AND TOTO LIVE SPECTACULARS ON THE WAY IN SEPTEMBER
"When I first listened back, the thought omnipresent in my mind was simply, 'That's that raw, sizzling energy we had in high school!'"

geoff tate GEOFF TATE'S OPERATION MINDCRIME UNVEIL TWO NEW TRACKS
"With the key finally in his possession, "H" has everything he needs to finally launch his long awaited project called The New Reality. Or does he..."

big country BIG COUNTRY HEADING OUT ON 'THE SEER' 30th ANNIVERSARY TOUR
Big Country will be performing 'The Seer' in its entirety when tbey hit the road for a 24-date UK tour starting on September 14th...

metallica UK EXCLUSIVE: METALLICA RELEASE 'HARDWIRED' - NEW VIDEO RIGHT HERE
"Has it really been eight years? Doesn't feel like it! We’re obviously beyond psyched to share new tunes with all our friends out there via MetalTalk...

manowar WAS BREAKING NEWS: MANOWAR TICKETS ON SALE FOR THE FINAL BATTLE WORLD TOUR
The Kings Of Metal are abdicating and our very last Call To Arms is coming...

opeth OPETH DETAIL WEMBLEY ARENA SHOW
"We'll only play this set list three times on the whole world tour so if you miss it, you'll have missed it..."

tank UPDATED: TANK RELEASE DIGITAL DELUXE VERSIONS OF 'WAR MACHINE' AND 'WAR NATION'
"Doogies vocals were exactly suited to this period of Tank and we're extremely proud of what we created in these two albums."

pete way PETE WAY LEAVES HOSPITAL AFTER HEART ATTACK
"Pete Way and I would like to thank you all for your messages, kind thoughts and prayers..."

vader WAS BREAKING NEWS: VADER ANNOUNCE NOVEMBER LONDON GIG
Vader will be touring in support of their recently announced new studio album 'The Empire' which is due for release this autumn...

dead daisies THE DEAD DAISIES RELEASE NEW VIDEO FOR 'JOIN TOGETHER' AS 'MAKE SOME NOISE' CRASHES INTO WORLDWIDE CHARTS
"We want to thank all of our fans and friends around the world for the amazing support of our new record 'Make Some Noise'!"

bloodstock POLICE APPEAL FOR INFORMATION REGARDING SEXUAL ASSAULT AT BLOODSTOCK
"Police are appealing for anyone with information to get in touch and are asking people to share this appeal..."

guns n roses EXCLUSIVE: GUNS N' ROSES DOWNLOAD ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE WAY WITH AUSTRALIAN AND JAPANESE DATES CONFIRMED
Other possibles for the remaining two headline slots are Aerosmith, Def Leppard and Metallica...

roger dean URIAH HEEP, BUDGIE AND ATOMIC ROOSTER ARTISTS WORK TO BE IMMORTALISED ON STAMPS
Roger Dean has designed over 100 album covers for artists including Yes, Asia, London Symphony Orchestra, Nightwing, It Bites and Snafu.

evil scarecrow WAS BREAKING NEWS: EVIL SCARECROW ANNOUNCE 'ROCK YOU LIKE A HURRICANADO' TOUR
"We'll be bringing our biggest, silliest show yet along with some brand new, probably never heard before, music 'genius'..."

blaze bayley BLAZE BAYLEY TO BE FEATURED IN MULTI-PART CANADIAN DOCUMENTARY
"I'm excited to be returning to Canada and I look forward to meeting my fans, with the opportunity for them to be a part of the documentary."

last in line LAST IN LINE ADDED TO WINTER STORM LINE-UP
Winter Storm, the festival that will take place over the weekend of 25th and 26th November in Troon, South Ayrshire, have already announced an exciting line-up...

tony iommi GREAT NEWS FROM TONY IOMMI: CANCER IS IN REMISSION
"The chemotherapy and the follow-up treatment appear to have done the trick — but I'm aware that it could come back one day."

suicide silence SUICIDE SILENCE ANNOUNCE NOVEMBER 2016 UK TOUR
"Hold on to your butts cause we will be headbanging our way through your town! Bring your A game cause we will be bringing ours..."

ac dc AC/DC IN FULL FLIGHT: QUALITY LIMITED EDITION BOOK IS A MUST FOR COLLECTORS
All of the photographs have been carefully processed and digitally restored to optimise reproduction quality.

ozzy osbourne BOB DAISLEY FILES LAWSUIT AGAINST OZZY OSBOURNE, WHO RESPONDS
"We would have hoped that after 36 years that Mr Daisley would have lost his unhealthy personal obsession and resentment towards Mr Osbourne's success."

70 tons of metal 70000 TONS OF METAL: SIXTY BANDS, BARS THAT NEVER CLOSE AND MUCH MORE
Heavy Metal bands from around the globe playing concerts on four different stages...

lamb of god WAS BREAKING NEWS: LAMB OF GOD REVEAL NEW MUSIC VIDEO FOR 'EMBERS': MARK MORTON HAS SOME DEEPLY PERSONAL WORDS
"Nearly a decade after 'Walk With Me In Hell' it was happening yet again. Art was imitating life..."

iron maiden WAS BREAKING NEWS: IRON MAIDEN RELEASE "THANK YOU" VIDEO - WATCH IT HERE
Now it's break time for Iron Maiden but they will be back for a full scale UK Tour in 2017...

meat loaf WAS BREAKING NEWS: MEAT LOAF RELEASES SECOND TRACK FROM FORTHCOMING NEW ALBUM WITH JIM STEINMAN - LISTEN HERE
"Now psychologist and psychiatrists all over America are giving it to their patients..."

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